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Sunday, January 25th, 2009
2:07 pm
[ngshake]
Religion and atheism discussion
I hope this is of interest and is appropriate to the community, but if not please let me know and I'll delete! I've posted a piece about religion and atheism in my journal. It covers several things, but mostly it's written as a formal reply to people who argue against atheist views, and is intended (hopefully!) to stimulate discussion. Comments are most welcome! You can find it here.
Saturday, January 24th, 2009
6:40 pm
[kishiriadgr]
Only a month away....
Ash Wednesday is only a month away. I propose we all start gearing up for Lenten Recipe Roundup! McFish sandwiches might be good for springing souls out of Purgatory, but they aren't exactly healthy.
Thursday, March 20th, 2008
1:13 pm
[tom93]
Is there a name for this heresy ?
Suppose I'm actually an atheist; I totally reject the idea of anything supernatural and believe that everything is governed by natural law, but I find religious concepts to be useful allegories.

God, for example is a symbol of existence itself; existence with a character, so to speak. I don't think there is some actual creature out there called God who created the universe, etc. but understand things like "God loves me" in a way that makes sense in a poetic sort of way. I do experience my life as something great and valuable, and good things happen in my life (especially when I work at it).

I view all the "miracles" as simply exaggerations, like after hearing Jesus speak and seeing his disciples share their meager food with some of the listeners, the whole crowd of usually stingy Jews decided to all share their food with each other.

The "kingdom of heaven" isn't some other dimension, but is the state of mind that you're in when you're really happy.

And so on.

If I were a Catholic and still continued to practice, is there a name for my heretical views ?
Thursday, August 2nd, 2007
3:31 pm
[sethomas84]
Hell as oblivion
Hello all.

Since John Paul the Great notoriously articulated hell as simply being a state of existence detached from God's love, I thought that the most cogent way to understand it is that it's simply oblivion. I know this isn't orthodox, but really it's the only thing that makes any remote amount of sense to me. I believe firmly in Purgatory and Heaven, but I see Hell as being tautological with oblivion. Why? Because one facet of common theodicy is that God is the sustaining force of existence, thus to be deprived of Him is to cease to exist.

I know I do a lot of shameless promotion on this board, but I do articulate this point of mine in this vlog, if anyone's interested.

Some implications that I don't bring up is that this sees within God's telos that the "damned" are just automatons that exist to highlight the good works of the "elect", to appropriate from Calvinism (yeah, yeah, I know). While somewhat discouraging in some lights, I ultimately find this much more appealing than positing an infinite expanse of time to punish those who fail to accept God's grace.
Saturday, May 12th, 2007
3:45 pm
[thepassword]
This is my secret. I am ashamed of it.
I am the one who has been deleting comments.
I am evildevilhead

I did it so I could feel wanted. I am so alone in life. I deleted posts and made the recommendation that I post secrets for people. I just wanted to have a purpose and Lj is all I have in my life.

I am so sorry. Please forgive me and love me. I am so alone.
Please let me post your secrets. It makes me feel wanted.
I am so alone. IT work is lonely work and they lock me in some back room away from everyone, other than when the suits need their email fixed. So I keep refreshing my LJ friends page as it is all I have and the only place where I feel people will talk to me. They don't know my dark secrets. They don't know how fat I am. They don't know how ugly and stupid I truly am.
Oh, I also love fondling little kids. I am disgusting.
Friday, April 27th, 2007
9:14 am
[razrangel]
I have a question. It's not particularly loaded for me, but it is a very sensitive subject. Please recall that I am the moderator here and keep your responses civil.


If I understand the Catechism correctly, women who obtain and doctors who perform abortions are excommunicated on the spot.

This contrasts, for me, with the fact that anyone who murders (let's say) an adult person commits mortal sin but is not excommunicated.

I assume abortion is considered mortal sin as well as the Church sees no distinction between a fetus and a full grown person in terms of life.

My question is: why? Why is abortion cause for instantaneous excommunication and murder of a fully viable, independent person not? What is cause for the Church's seeming greater drive to protect a fetus or at least to impose greater consequences? Is it really "ooh no! the poor sweet baaabbiiiiee!!"? I suspect that may be it but then it troubles me that it then seems less extreme to murder an adult.

I think you get my drift.
Sunday, June 25th, 2006
9:44 pm
[travel_theworld]
Gay Adoption
Hello all!

Well, for those who live either in Boston or in the Boston area in Massachusetts, in "The Boston Globe" there is an article about Catholic Charities of Boston.

After 103 years of service, it's closing its doors. It's not because of money or anything like that, it has to do with gay adoption.

In 2003, the Vatican issued a document titled, "Considerations Regarding Proposals to Give Legal Recognition to Unions Between Homosexual Persons." In the document, it says gay adoption is "gravely immoral."
In the article, it says, "Last fall, the Globe reported that Catholic Charities was facilitating gay adoptions, despite Vatican teachings, controversy erupted."

Personally, I am greatly saddened that Catholic Charities of Boston is closing because it's done such a service. And, I couldn't help but agree with this quote said by a man who was adopted through Catholic Charities of Boston:

"How thankful I am to be adopted. Now, Catholic Charities is deciding not to do that. I don't think people decide if they are gay or straight. There are plenty of gay people who would be wonderful parents. I think the wrong thing is to walk away from the church. The right thing to do is influence their decisions. I am Catholic. I'm proud of being Catholic."

Now, my question is that, are Catholics (including myself) obligated to believe that gay adoptions are "gravely immoral?" And, does not agreeing with the Church's view on gay adoptions put Catholics in any state of sin?
Tuesday, February 21st, 2006
1:33 pm
[christophedumas]
What would you tell them?
What would you tell someone who believed that traditional, orthodox Catholicism and membership in a neo-nazi organization were compatible?

If someone claimed to be a devout Catholic, yet venerates Hitler, calls black people n*ggers, expresses gladness that they know no Jews, hate hispanics, and try to say that by doing so, they are following the Bible?

It would seem that one would have to be a very conflicted individual to espouse such things. Yet I recently came across someone who believes exactly these things.

Current Mood: confused
Tuesday, January 31st, 2006
5:40 am
[sethomas84]
The Eternal Soul: A History, a Diatribe
Well, I know that it seems I spam these boards with my whacky theories often enough, but this time it's to promote my book. That's right, a print-on-demand firm has picked me up and the final product is now for sale. You can order it directly online right now and it'll come within a few days (from Amazon, Barnes and Noble's website, or my publisher www.virtualbookworm.com), or you can order it from me and save a few dollars and have it signed--but you'll have to wait a few weeks for it.

The purpose of the book is to rationalize the existence of the soul and "free" will by investigating the assumption that the soul is eternal--coeternal with God. Some people have called this heretical, but most of the priests with whom I've discussed this said that it's perfectly fine to hold such a view.

More information is available Here. Thank you in advance to anyone who has the kindness to read it. And no, I don't plan on making millions of dollars off of this, but at least maybe if enough people buy it from me I can recoup my initial investment.

Thanks all.

Pax vobiscum,
-Seth

x-posted to Theologia, random other boards
Sunday, January 29th, 2006
2:36 pm
[deo__gratias]
Pro-Choice Voting a Heresy?
The Catholic Church obviously has a strong stance against abortion, but my question is this--is voting for a Pro-Choice candidate considered heresy?

Previously I was under the understanding that a Catholic could in good conscience vote for a Pro-Choice candidate provided that their stance on abortion was not the primary reason for voting in that direction.

A few years ago, Detroit auxiliary bishop Thomas Gumbleton stated that any politics of human life must work to resist the violence of war and the scandal of capital punishment. Any politics of human dignity must address issues of racism, poverty, hunger, employment, education, housing and health care.

Bishop Gumbleton stated that he saw a great deal of hypocrisy in politicians like George W. Bush calling themselves pro-life when they embraced wars that have left many innocent people dead, when they have supported policies that have left people without health insurance, when they have defended a capital punishment system that has often executed those falsely accused.

However, some bishops state that a Catholic HAS TO vote for a politician that has a pro-life label and that other issues don't matter.

For example, recently Saginaw Bishop Robert Carlson, addressing a group on the anniversary of Roe v. Wade said: The argument that abortion rights is only one of the many pro-life issues and must be balanced with homelessness, spousal abuse and the environment is false.....I remind Catholic politicians of their sacred duty to oppose laws that favor abortion and euthanasia. And I state emphatically that your mantra 'that I am personally opposed but' disgusts me.

Is it heresy to say, as Bishop Gumbleton has, that there are many issues that have to be weighed into a Catholic's voting decision?

Or...on the other hand....is it heresy to say that abortion is the one issue and that all other issues are unimportant?

Or are these positions more or less personal opinions by these respective bishops and not binding on Catholics?

Just wondering about other peoples' thoughts.
Wednesday, January 11th, 2006
11:19 pm
[dogs_n_rodents]
Wondering About These Works...
I'm starting to get into a long-term theological discussion with an interesting friend of mine (a different one than the pagan I was talking about in a previous post). The friend has read the following authors/works:

Maccaby's, "The Mythmaker: Paul and the Creation of Christianity."

Spong's: "Liberating the Gospels", "Resurrection: Myth or Reality?", "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism" and some other works.


I will get my paws on at least Maccaby's work soon enough, but if anyone has any insights for things to look for to counter the arguments they make, and then convey these ideas to my friend, I'd be happy to hear them.

Cross Posted to catholicism

Current Mood: curious
Saturday, December 24th, 2005
10:20 am
[travel_theworld]
Veneration of Relics
Hello everyone! A question from me, just to clear it up:

I understand that as Catholics, a way of honoring the saints is through venerating their relics. I realize that through honoring the saints, honor is also given to God who created them. But just a few questions;

When we venerate a relic, is it the saint who is honored and not the relic?

And when miracles are attributed to a saint's relics, does that mean that the actual relic healed them or God's power worked through a saint's relic and healed that person(s)?

Thanks to all who answer. I'm just a teen Catholic trying to learn more about my faith so I can understand it more and really know about my faith when I receive Confirmation next year.

Thanks again!
Monday, November 28th, 2005
8:02 pm
[napoleonofnerds]
My public school district's school committee (which I'm on) is trying to create a policy for Religious Holidays, and are having trouble with it. What do you all think would be a fair policy on holidays?

Some things that have been vaguely talked about:

1. We, inexplicably, take Good Friday off.
2. There is something sort of resembling a guideline from about 1980 which says that that there should be no tests or projects for the Jewish Holidays.
3. There is nothing that says they need to excuse your absence if you need to leave or miss school for a religious observance.
4. One of the crazier administrators once tried to ban all forms of religious expression, even for acedemic purposes, from the High School. For a year, nobody learned Mendelian genetics or the Protestant Reformation or read The Crucible (or the Inferno, or Le Mort D'Arthur, or...). This administrator was probably certifiable, and was fired at the end of the year. This was some years ago, before I remember.
5. We have many Muslim kids, and any policy that doesn't have a bright line must logically include Ramadan, which would kill most of first term.

I have no idea what to do. Thoughts?

x-posted: catholicism, catholic_heresy, ljcatholics, religiousdebate, theism
Monday, November 14th, 2005
12:27 am
[sethomas84]
My book is finished
So, I hate to be a prosylitizer, but I've just written a book on Coeternalism and I would like some serious critiquing before I submit it to a publisher. I'm looking for ANYONE willing to read it for insight on how to make it better. It's only about 180 pages, so the time investment shouldn't be anything serious. For more about Coeternalism, see www.coeternalism.com. If you would like a link to the online manuscript, send me an email at stp@coeternalism.com or reply to this with your email address.

Thank you all muchly,
-Seth

Cross-posted to lots of different theology boards.
Saturday, October 1st, 2005
8:48 am
[urbanseena]
I have seen in you and
Experienced the true love
Spirit and joy of thee
The eternal father
Even when I heard of the
Sneaky deal of sold heart
During the wear ed dreams
During the strange feelings
The voice of true love heard
In that dark and showed
Me the way out to thy altar
Dear father john ,you are
Blessed,you are the one
The best among thy armies
The love care spirit and joy
You shared for me always
Remembered at heart
With lot sincere gratitude
and great respect and
glorified at thy altar
for his greater love
Once again forgive my
Behaviors are those of
Silly troubled you and
caused you weakness.
Friday, September 23rd, 2005
1:05 pm
[a_clean_escape]
Paradox of Faith
I've recently studied both religions and psychology. I have come to a problem that I cannot resolve by myself, partly because no one asked me this, I thought of it. So there may be a really simple answer that I'm not seeing. The paradox is in the nature of faith.

How can a person logicly adhere to one of two opposing a priori beliefs?
Tuesday, September 20th, 2005
12:21 pm
[deo__gratias]
Kneeling
Just curious--would like to hear from other Catholics on this:

During the consecration, do you kneel? Do people in your church kneel?

I belong to a diocese where, by and large, the kneelers have been removed from the churches. I have been told recently that we are supposed to kneel during that part of the Mass. However, I have only seen a handful of people in my diocese ever do that.
Wednesday, August 17th, 2005
12:43 pm
[travel_theworld]
Israel
Hello all, well, here's my question: I'm sure that those of you who watch the news are familiar with Israeli troops forcing Israeli settlers from the Gaza Strip. The images and stories are heart-wrenching, and I know many people have different beliefs and opinions with the issue of the Israelis and the Palestinians. Now, does the Church have any stance or view on this issue? Is there a certain side the Church takes?

Thanks to all who answer!!
Tuesday, July 26th, 2005
9:34 pm
[travel_theworld]
Pro-Choice?
Hello everyone, another question to be asked, and hopefully it will be solved. Is it considered a grave sin to be pro-choice when it comes to abortion? And, can you still have the Eucharist and be pro-choice, or does being pro-choice not allow you to have the Eucharist?
Wednesday, July 13th, 2005
10:45 pm
[gavygavgav]
Apostolic Succession
Hello, all!

I'm less than a day new here, but I'm rather enjoying the intelligent discussion here, and hope people don't mind the presence of an "anti-Catholic fundy" as I've been called before. I hope in the spirit of glorifying our mutual Savior we can at least learn to understand eachother better and at best gain a respect for our differing traditions.

As I've mentioned before, I'm a former Catholic who enjoys apologetic discussions. One of the main topics that Catholics like to bring up about us protestants is that we don't have Apostolic Succession. Personally, I don't believe that bishops are a necessity in the Church. However my question to you all is What does it matter? Why should I as a protestant feel threatened when you tell me that my church doesn't have a validly ordained episcopacy? What do the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches gain from having their Apostolic Succession?

A bit of trivia, there are a small number of protestant churches with recognized succession. The Church of Sweden is Lutheran, but Rome recognizes them of maintaining the Historic Episcopacy. Also if someone can give me a link to the pre-Vatican II ordination rite, I'd be interested to read that.

Thanks for the help!
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